Sunday, March 11, 2012

Worship For Sale?

Let's be honest, a Christian concert is nothing more than a worship service no matter where you play, UNLESS of course you're promoting your Christian concerts "for entertainment purposes only." (which many do by the way) So, if you sell tickets for people to partake in the worship of God, since when did we start having to pay to worship God? Since YOU decided you need the money? Since YOU decided everyone else does it this way, so it must be right? Whatever happened to living by faith? Whatever happened to trusting God to provide? Whatever happened to "freely ye have received, freely give?" Of course I understand there are expenses associated with music ministries, just as there are expenses associated with all ministries, but selling tickets to a worship service? Should we start having a cover charge at church too? After all, churches have needs too, right? And what about the poor? Do they not get to worship God with you because they cannot afford to buy a ticket? Is that how you treat the poor? Seriously? We are commanded by God to "plead the cause of the poor and needy," not sell tickets to them. (Proverbs 31:9)  And how many unsaved people do you think are going to buy a ticket so they can listen to someone sing and preach about Christ? Maybe none? Are you evangelizing the lost or just having Christian socials? Worship is holy and we are NOT to be selling tickets to the body of Christ to partake in it. What part of that don't you understand? We have once again turned the church of Jesus Christ into a marketplace and I suggest those of you who partake in this abomination repent before you leave God no choice but to intervene into the situation. We need to learn to trust God (hey, there's a novel idea!) and stop devising our own plans on how we "think" God should be providing for us, and this should begin with earnest prayer. Christian musicians and singers who demand fees or sell tickets to "Christian concerts" need to seek God's wisdom and direction for your "ministry" because you are NOT being led by the Spirit of God when you resort to selling tickets to a worship service, no matter how you try and justify it. I can assure you one thing, if Jesus Christ had a band, He wouldn't be selling tickets just so He could make ends meet. You cannot serve two Masters, pick one...

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  1. I agree completly. Its all show and no go. Its all about where a group or singer is on the charts. Where did the christian/gospel music industry go wrong? When did this happen? I've been to 10 southern gospel concerts in the past year and not one was there a alter call or invitation given. What are we doing? What is our purpose?

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  2. I have to point out several side to what is posted.
    I am not double minded for the recored. I just use the gray matter as God intended me to.
    You make good points yet you take it to the extreme. The bible says, "take care of those that minister to you" yet if a ''Christian band'' or ''Christian musician'' comes to play so the members of any given church can worship they are not always treated like a minister. Is the fault just with the Christian musician. Could it also comes out in the attitudes of the members or leaders that don't see music as a ministry yet say they do. Churches pay pastors to preach, support missionaries to go minister, teachers to instruct, evangelists to evangelize, and I know of churches that pay to have a professional sound man to mix the service. There are also worship pastors that draw a wage cause they do more then just play and sing on Sundays. Ya, their job takes more then just what we see on Sundays but yet, the attitude behind ''Christian band'' or ''Christian musician'' is it should be free cause its worship. Like I stated above you make a good point but to blanket all Christian music under your ideas is ridiculous. It may be that church bodies need to be brought up to speed as to when they are getting ministered to. In fact they are not the only ones that need brought up to speed. There is a need for Christian socials and why not have music at them? Let me ask these questions. Dose all Christian music have to be worship or a better way to ask would be is all Christian music worship? What constitutes a worship song? What about a song written about being broken or written for the broken. What about a song written about childhood memories and only the last verses mentions Jesus. Dose that make the song less Godly. Another song comes to mind "Butterfly Kisses". Would you say story telling is not a form of worship. Who's to say how Godly talent is to be used. If a story telling song blesses a person what dose it make the song.
    Some more to consider and I have worked in the Christian music market so I speak first hand. With that said many in this market have issues with how the whole Christian music industry is ran as do I. Many songs that have a huge message that would minister to a broken person get lost in this industry that only puts out songs that are radio friendly. Radio friendly, what crap. This comes back to the church body as a whole. The market is geared to please them. So, why is it all on the ''Christian musician''? How about the narrow minded program directors or who ever makes the call as to which songs are played at so called christian radio stations. Christian radio stations. Let's look at them. They have a huge out reach to the save and lost. Where is their focus? Most Christian radio stations that I know of minister to the saved which is needed! So, should they be all about worship or out reach? How many christian radio stations have aggressive out reach with music? That is a hard one and brings up more then I care to write out tonight. Still, if you are going to take the Christian musician to task I believe the Christian radio stations should be under that same scrutiny as do all christians that have ask Jesus to be their savor that listens to Christian music which sets the trends that Christian musician are judged by.

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    1. I agree, and I not only take issue with many Christian musicians, but with many in the body of Christ as a whole whose motivations are ministry AND money. I think it's also quite obvious to those who are outside of the church when all they see are Christians dwelling on money, begging for money, misusing money, etc, which hinders the gospel of Christ. Christians say, "But how will I provide for my family if I don't seek money?" Well, try studying your bible I say, for God NEVER commands us to seek money, rather He commands us to SEEK FIRST His Kingdom, and then He said, all the things we need shall be added unto us. Seeking our own needs is something the gentiles are always seeking, according to God. Yes, I could just as well,(and probably will) point out those in the body of Christ who are trying to serve two masters. My whole objective here is to show that IN MINISTRY, we are to be motivated 100% by love, NEVER money, just as Christ Himself was never motivated by money, but most believers are not mature enough to grasp that wisdom yet, and so they whine and take issue with my reproof. Not my problem. I'm not here to tickle any ears and do not intend to start now. God wants His church to grow up and be single-minded when it comes to serving Him. I'm just doing what he has sent me to do...

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  3. I really do agree with you, kind of like a song by Neon Cross called Buy My Record. If the primary goal is to sell their records, that is not ministry. Priority should be to play, share their testimony, and to minister to those that are there and by that I mean don't hide backstage. Ministry is people oriented and filling their needs. Now if there are books or music available, mention it as a side note...like oh yeah if anything we have done tonight has ministered to you and you would like to take it home to allow it to continue to minister to you, they are for sale outside in the lobby or on our website. Come on down and let's praise the Lord and pray together. The goal should always be GOD, JESUS and the Holy Spirit. GOD gave us the talent for His Glory. I love a quote from Mother Theresa...GOD can't fill you when you filled with something else,

    Blessings,

    Dave

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  4. Im a Christian musician, and the Judgement coming across in your post is uncalled for. This is the very thing an unsaved person will read and be completely turned off to Christianity. The bible says we are to walk out our own salvation, and you have no right pointing the finger like this. If I own a bakery, should I give my food away all the time? Should I not charge For services as a christian?? Look, a profession is a profession. You say to "trust God", well, thats all fine and dandy, but we dont work for free, no matter what your profession, and wait on money to fall from the sky. Stop puting so much effort into criticizing others, work on yourself. God has allowed me to travel and feed my family using my gifts. Sometimes theres tickets, sometimes theres a love offering, but its an honest living. And one more thing. Maybe instead of me doing shows for free, the wealthier can buy some tickets for the poor... give and it will be given. STOP TEARING DOWN YOUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN CHRIST!! IT'S VERY UNBECOMING.

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    1. God NEVER told you to sell tickets to a worship service and baking bread is hardly a comparison to musicians selling tickets to a worship service. Again, let me ask, how do the poor get to attend your concerts (worship services) if you sell tickets? The fact is...they don't, and you want me to believe the Holy Spirit led you to make a living that way? To shut out the poor from worshipping God with you so you can feed your own family? Get real. I guess you think the apostle Paul was "tearing down" the brethren at Corinth when he REPROVED them for their fornications huh? You need to learn the difference between reproof and criticism. I can assure you one thing, if Jesus Christ had a band, He wouldn't be selling tickets just so He could make ends meet. You cannot serve two Masters, pick one...

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    2. You know "Spirit of Elijah", GOD didn't tell us not to sell tickets either. He said that we are to be paid for the labor of our hands and He provided for the priests to receive payment from what the people gave to Him...so GOD provided from payment or offerings the people were "required" to give. Today there have been many churchs going under because the people don't support the church. I know this to be ttue. Because I was asked to give my testamony on tithing while I was homeless (not like this person hiding under the handle "Spirit of Elijah".who tried to make his homeless experience the same while living in motels where he could store food and shower the same as living in a motor home with no power or water). So...we are forced to put a price on the labor and gifts that GOD has given us. There were the servants with talents they were given. GOD expected them to multiply their talents...those that did were rewarded. The one that didn't, was disciplined. If you don't want to pay for GOD's servant, then don't go!

      I have watched you tweak the bible to say what you want to say. In an earlier repoly up above, you quoted a scripture that stated we will allowed to judge the world and angels stating you can do that now...which is what you are doing. It is future not now because you are judging based on your opinion, not the word. Maybe you should "judge" the church for not providing..oh wiat; it's the world and angels you are judging, not the church. "Christian" musicians are of the church not the world so stop judging us. One of the seven things GOD hates is creating discord in the body. If you want to continue doing that you are speaking evil against the breathern (James 4:11-12). so rather than look at and condemn others while hiding behind y"the Spirit of Elijah", work on your own salvation with fear and trembing.

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    3. First of all, I do not "tweak" the bible and NOTHING I have said is contrary to the Word of God thank you, and if you think selling tickets to a worship service is ok with God, you simply do not understand worship. I guess the poor don't get to worship God with you because they can't afford to buy a ticket? Too bad for them huh? Is that how you treat the poor? Really? Why then don't you encourage your pastor to sell tickets at church too since he needs to get paid like you right? Would that be ok too, or is it just ok to sell tickets when YOU play music somewhere? The ONLY reason you believe selling tickets is ok as a Christian musician, is because IN YOUR MIND, you are not worshipping God, you are only "entertaining" people with Christian music, thus the problem. You are an "entertainer," not a worshipper of God, otherwise you would NEVER sell tickets. We are commanded by God to "plead the cause of the poor and needy," not sell tickets to them. (Proverbs 31:9)

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    4. Do you work at a job for a living? do you work for free?

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    5. So, you think when we WORSHIP GOD that it's ok to make money by selling tickets? I work a job to make money, I would NEVER sell tickets to a worship service, and those who do are not being led by the Spirit of God to do so..

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  5. So what I'm getting from all of this is that: pastors, worship leaders and really anyone involved in Christianity should not be paid for there time, effort and work. That's just wrong. Especially for musicians who have to rehearse, buy instruments, maintain the instruments, have a place to practice (if not associated with a church) and feed themselves. So, in The Spirit of Elijah's world there are no 'full-time' worship leaders, or Pastors for that matter because they have to work a regular job, study the bible and rehearse at night after work and if they are lucky (by the grace of GOD) spend time with their family.
    People who perform 'concert style' worship services or Christian concerts usually perform for free at their respective church. The poor can see them there.
    If Christians were to follow 'The Spirit of Elijah's' idea, there would be no Christian music but the hymns that Martin Luther wrote.
    We are only stewards of the money and possessions given to us. I can only think that maybe 'The Spirit of Elijah' has had a bad experience with worship at some time. I too, used to think that Pastors selling CD's and DVD's of studies was outrageous, but came to my senses when I was involved in the making of a DVD series. It costs money.... lots of money. And I will say that if someone really had a need and could not afford $5.00 for a DVD, we gave it to them for nothing. But if you could afford it, you pay.
    A final note, worship is more than the singing of songs. Song is an easy way to worship that most people enjoy.

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    1. You may want to reread my post. I am not saying people shouldn't be paid for their labor, that would be unscriptural. What I am saying is, MUSICIANS shouldn't be selling tickets for people to come hear them singing/playing worship to the Lord. Unless Christians play "for entertainment purposes only," it is worship. and selling tickets to a worship service is not of God. Those who sell tickets shut out the poor, not to mention the lost aren't going to pay money to come hear people singing to Jesus. God promises to provide for us, but selling tickets for people to come and worship God is NOT something the Holy Spirit is going to lead us to do..

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  6. So then you are saying that 'MUSICIANS' do not labor and should not be paid for their work.
    I do get where you are coming from but that begs the question: How do the musicians get paid for their work? Long hours of practice. It's not all about playing for 2 hours on a stage. There's 50 times that number of hours in rehearsal time.

    I also agree that worship is more than singing a song. You are to worship the Lord in everything from the food on your plate to just being alive to discuss what worship is.

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    1. No, I never said musicians or anyone else shouldn't be paid for their labor, I said, you shouldn't be SELLING TICKETS to a worship service (unless you are only playing your Christian music "for entertainment purposes only.") So, how do you get paid for your labor in the Lord? Ask God. But selling tickets to a worship service is NOT something the Holy Spirit would EVER lead anyone to do. Could you imagine Jesus selling tickets? Come on man..

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  7. entertaining or whorship service they both serve a purpose
    its all a way of planting seeds folks nitpik on things to much anf make Godlyness complicated Jesus said it was simple
    if a person buys tickets its a way of suportin a band mucian yu love its no differant than buying a Cd t shirt ect if you are a travelin muscian then you need to suport yourself and even if yoare entertaining you are still putting out the word with your music i dont beleve here is a differance even the devils bands are preaching something just not
    Godly i usualy charge flat fee at this time for my band

    our band would come play a week end for 600 if you lodge us with a place to shower and get out of the weather and send 200 as a deposit to cover our gas for the trip what equipment do you provide such as PA ect if interested we play about 40 total songs all origanal or rewritten covers heres one of our web links http://etband101.wix.com/et-band# you can google our band name ETband or ETband101 for more links to our music we have a cd being released soon also phone 269-216-3714 ask for doug or rob

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  8. Jesus never "entertained" or "sold tickets" to ANYONE. If you claim to be a follower of His, follow His example,..

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